Any way of hiding usenet traffic

[welshman]

Here is probably the best place to ask!
 Is there any way I can fool my ISP into not seeing usenet traffic - it throttles it during the day, it leaves general web browsing and file download alone!
How can the ISP tell wht traffic is what?
thanks in advance :-)

[Ascathon]

Usenet makes use off NNTP which by default is on port number 119, which is reserved for those purposes. You could try SSL if your USP provides this functionality. Or a USP which offers different ports.

[welshman]

Hi - using port 553 and SSL
 but its still throttled!! just wondering how they know what the traffic is?

[dacaid]

You can fool them about what you're DLing with SSL, but you can't fool them about the protocol you're using...

[davidq666]

Hi - using port 553 and SSL
 but its still throttled!! just wondering how they know what the traffic is?

do u mean 563 or 443?
since 443 is the standard ssl port for http aswell it should give u the best chance to fool them methinks

[welshman]

Treid 443 still the same ! :-(

its not too bad just have to wait for the fully open tap after midnight. Getting a decent ISP in the UK is impossible. These seemed good with an 80G limit per moth with unlimited unmetered after midnight, and the only one with truly unlimited after that time, all others have a "fair usage policy " wich most are at 40 Gb !! way too low.

I just would love to know how they are knowing whats coming in and how to just throttle that traffic and allow normal browsing/downloading unaffected.

[Ascathon]

Like said before, it's the port they check. Everything on for example port 119 is supposed to be usenet. Maybe it's the other way around. Everything capped except HTTP, and maybe non-standard ports.

[Hecks]

Getting a decent ISP in the UK is impossible.

"BT Traffic Managed broadband vs. BE Unlimited Broadband"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8MNAlwgqr4&feature=player_embedded

[Hamsandwich]

They may use DPI, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection. Basically with that they will always know what kind of traffic it is afaik.

[Hecks]

They may use DPI, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection. Basically with that they will always know what kind of traffic it is afaik.

Over SSL, to work at all DPI first needs the technology to decrypt the payload - it exists, but is unlikely to be in use by your ISP (your boss/IT dept is another matter).

Or they could just be throttling known news servers.  In which case, try using a VPN service to connect - Giganews' new Vypr VPN service, for example (free with Diamond accts).

[welshman]

Thanks, will try them - with supernews at the moment -

[book]

two issues here: port throtteling and content monitoring.

many years ago i was with f2s and my news provider was Newshosting.

newshosting allowed port 25 (mail service) and f2s did not throttle that port - you dont want to delay mail or restrict its flow, as the last thing businesses want is limited throughput on their mail server causing mailserver timeouts and non delivery.  The datastream  was however unecrypted. Left beause of them issuing threatening letters due to hefty downloads in the 'unmetered time', but my monthly 'monitored'use was only about 1g on their 'unlimited' package.

now with BE and astraweb and there is no looking back. BE sister company O2 apparently is quite good too